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Pastor Roger Voegtlin

219-926-6636

5/27/2007

Chesterton, IN

"Spritual Spanking"

6:00-12:00

"Let me say that spanking, really spanking is the staple discipline in the Bible. Not once does the Bible say discipline your child by giving them a time-out...Now what is a rod. well, I don't think it's a ball bat, I don't think it's a club. I don't think it's just reaching for whatever you can get your hands on when you're mad, but the Bible never really defines what the rod is. I think obviously it's a stick or a switch designed to produce, and this is all you have to know, a sharp, unpleasant pain...as a boy in my house my father carried a, we called it, he called it a switch in his back pocket. If you came into our home you would see a leather switch about the thickness of my little finger and it was wrapped kind of half way along thereso there were about 18" switches coming out there, and I'll tell you what when he used that thing it would wrap around the inside of your thigh, Whew, did that hurt. And if there was anything where my fahter was a success in rearing our children it was that he a strong diciplinarian. He was a strong man. Not one of these men who allowed his wife to talk him out of spanking his boys. Now when my children were being raised we used a good strong paddle. No little sissy paddle. But a good strong paddle that wouldn't break. Some use a razor strap. You can use the weapon of choice, but the point is you don't want a club that will permanently hurt the person, but on the other hand you want something that will sting."

13:30-15:00

"...Now the parents in our church have rightly delegated the right to spank to the teacher and to the principal of the school and in years past this was the custom in America...Now our liberals can surmise what type of adults are produced by spanking..."

32:20-36:00

"...'But he that loveth him chaseneth him betimes.' I used to think that 'betimes' only meant frequently, but it also means early, starting out early to discipline will save you much grief later. Well this is so important. And this is why I talk about our hundred little kids that I honestly believe are going to grow up and love and serve God....But fearful indeed is when the child has been the early master. To begin chastening when the habit of disobedience has been formed and hardened. To have the first work to do when the child is growing out of childhood. You wait until he's getting out of chilhood, rare indeed does this late experiment succeed...the most important training of your children is before they get out of the high chair... It's far easier to deal with self-will by taking down his diaper [demonstrates spanking sound] and doing that . I didn't take the diaper down I felt I could really give it to them with just these two fingers on their fat little thighs. The schools and the public are encouraging children to report their parents if their spanked and we know they will believe the little children and prosecute the adults. You better take serious rearing your children before they can dial welfare..."

37:15-45:46

"The best years of your child's life is when their young. A pastor was teaching a seminar on child rearing to a group of parents and, and ah, a mother raised her hand and said, 'How old does a child need to be before you teach them a Bible verse?' And with a straight face he said, 'I think about two weeks old.' And he just kept on going and she blurted out, 'How can you teach a Bible verse when their two weeks old?' And he went on to give some swats on his hand to the meter, Proverbs 13:5 'the way of the transgressor is hard.' He said 'they may not get the words, but they'll get the spirit.' [Roger is slapping his hand to a beat as he says the last few sentences] And don't let them turn on the tears and get you to stop. In fact, you ought not let them scream and cry, they ought to get more and I know that's frustrating. More. Listen, what their trying to do is convince their parent to stop before justice is done...One preacher said his mother used to stand next to his father as he was whippin' him as a child and say, 'Dad, he needs some more he's not sweet yet. Dad give him some more he's not sweet yet!' [raised voice] That's the job of the mother..."